CHURCH AND STATE



THE SEPARATION OF
CHURCH AND STATE

If you asked me what derails America, I would answer the obvious. Greed, Selfishness, and a few other “sins” are the players and the willingness to do things to skirt laws both moral and legal to achieve goals are the carrier.  

For those willing to travel this journey, we find the majority travel coach and a few who go first class.  To them there is no ceiling on the civil law and they do what they want under their own version  regardless of anyone else's right's. To me the derailing of America is all based on FALSE GODS.

The most sacred and important law of these laws that govern us is the one that proclaims The Separation of Church and State.  

It seems to show prominently in many of the problems we face today.  The problem is we have those who would have us not follow the guidance of the Constitution and thats the problem.  

It's main tenet comes direct from from the Founding fathers. It was designed to keep the law, equal for all, and not those who belonged to a specific group bound by other rules and traditions. My ire is against those who use religion as just another tool with their constituents.   And some of their constituents are called “Evangelicals”.


IN THE BEGINNING
Our founding fathers, not to be confused with some of our current crew of religious cassocked dressed fondling fathers had some strong ideas about the definition of a “perfect union”. 

Unfortunately perfect union meant something different to the "fondling fathers" and after the dust settled many wound up in jail.  The Church took quick and forceful action. They moved them like peas under the three walnut shells and for a while they got away with it. Eventually the Church had no where to turn and took action.  Church is not the more perfect union. Even threats of prosecution against the SEE are proposed by some groups claiming the church ignored them and covered the facts. 

The greatest single event to change the Catholic Church’s positions and excuses might be the new Pope who is a Pope of the People. Nevertheless the problems of the church are like a cut, you see the outside you really can’t see whats buried deeper and you may never see them.

The founding fathers were intellectually sound and knew from their own experience what was good for them and what was not.  After all they knew how it was done back home.  And that’s the main why they left mother England in the first place. Simply put they could not worship as they chose.   

Experience is a good teacher and with acute wisdom they made the most important and critical statement of our democracy, the simplest one. Our leaders in that time simply wanted the faithful, “To uphold the separation of Church and State”. 

Want to make it even simpler? Divide moral issues and legal issues into two categories. Let the State (Gov) protect the rights and freedoms of all.  Leave the others to their own moral means to solve their issues. Lest us not claim many of these incursions into Pedophilia and other sexual deviations are the work of the Catholics.

I live in Florida and I truly believe we hold the Guinness book of Records for CHRISTIAN  (All seventy-five major differing opinions and styles) Youth ministers, Choir ministers, Youth Choir Ministers, and Bible-Bable teachers having a field day with children and now incarcerated and designated appropriately under the law.  Not that enough scandals exist with some of the pastors sharing Jesus with the flock after hours.


1/2 RELIGION
1/2 POLITICS
Religion has embraced politics as an Octopus embraces a fish. They seemed to have more hands in more places.  They call themselves the “Religious Right”.  Could not be further from the truth.  For they are the most dangerous people to threaten this nation.

A South Carolina Catholic priest tells his flock that he will not offer communion to anyone who votes for President Obama because of his stand on abortion. The Vatican told him to back off. They are not in Politics for if they do get involved,  they will lose their tax exemption status under the IRS. 

I did not have to travel far when trying to reason with some folks. I got the same thing from neighbors, some who live 10 yards from me. Their Priest told them President Obama was Pro Choice and you should not support him. He did not deny communion but the woman was scared of the repercussions.  Excuse me I thought voting booths were private.  It would be none of the priests business.

It's no different in the Fundamentalist theatre, its not just the Catholic Church. Many groups because of  Church Law will invade the rights of others for their beliefs. And the right nut at the right time will take a gun or bomb and kill others for these beliefs, it has already happened, the bombings in the Atlanta Women's clinics, the killing of a Pro-Abortion Doctor in Florida.  This is nothing new, these over-believers, have been around since the Crusades, they were the Crusaders, the flockers, a bunch of flocking idiots.


MODERN DAY ZEALOTS
WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH
Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr.,  who recently passed away,  (Thank God)  was an American pastor, (Debatable) of the Westboro Baptist Church, Independent Baptist based in Topeka, Kansas.  Independent because the numerous Baptist Church Affiliations wanted nothing to do with them.   Phelps was a disbarred lawyer, founder of the Phelps Chartered law firm, and a former civil rights activist, certified homophobic, and was delusional.  

His group actively went to our fallen heroes funerals to display their hateful rhetoric.  Please do not send donations to this church, you may however send flowers to this Church such as Ragweed, Poison ivy, Poison Sumac and Venus Fly-traps would be more appropriate.  

Phelps’s followers frequently picket various events, such as military funerals, gay pride gatherings, high-profile political gatherings, university commencement ceremonies and performances of The Laramie Project. 

They also mainstream Christian gatherings and concerts with which he had no affiliation, arguing it is their sacred duty to warn others of God’s anger.  This is where religion goes too far. Their webpage alone indicates who they are.  

The other assumptions and mis-information, all hatred  based, the church spews is indicated by the photo above aimed at sick parents who impregnate their children with hatred. 



President George W. Bush signed the Respect for America’s Fallen Heroes Act into law in May 2006, and, in April 2007, Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius signed into law a bill establishing a 150-foot no-picketing buffer zone around funerals.  

Phelps was known for the slogans that he and his ministry use against people he deems sinful; his church is built around a core of anti-homosexual theology, with many of their activities stemming from the slogan “ God hates fags”, which is also the name of the group's main website. 

Gay rights supporters have denounced him as a producer of anti-gay propaganda and violence-inspiring hate speech.  The church is considered by and monitored as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center.

This shows how much restraint I have. Had they tried to pull this off in Florida, again, they did once for one of our fallen heroes,  I’m afraid I could not just stand by and watch,  I might have wound up in jail.  You do not desecrate our fallen.   As a reporter at that event, off the record, half of the cops said they wish they could just turn their back, and “let nature meaning our friends take due course with these nutcases”

Fortunately our motorcycle friends and POW enthusiasts blocked many of their attempts.  Had the police not been there to protect their Westboro’s First Amendment rights, there just might have been some blood spilled.  I hate saying it but that might be the only time it would have been a good thing. They are really some sick people.  Not just the pastor and his family the entire congregation and followers.


CHURCH DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL and AGREES ON NOTHING 
So when the Church gets involved in politics, the Evangelical Right (notably and usually wrong)  we wind up with candidates who talk morally correct and lack an ounce of brains.  We get pushed into a situation that says regardless of the qualifications of the candidates,  the Church law is more important to your decision. Take away that Tax Exemption and you will see how quick the cash cow changes it’s direction with it’s back into the wind.  

Simply put the founding fathers willed that  "States actions shall not impact on the religious freedoms we all have". I used to think it meant for all of us and regardless of how you do it. But it doesn’t because of the big difference in numbers of worshippers in each religion and the offers they get.  Redemption is big business.  Lots of guilt out there. It acts as a buffer to the greed and selfishness. It’s an easy sell.

Religion agrees on nothing.  If you were to pick up the phone book and look under houses of Worship - Christianity, as an example you would find one-hundred fifty variations of the same religion. So they bury it literally under free choice.  And  under Jewish Houses of worship, we have three, Orthodox, Conservative and Reform.  I have seen, even close to me in my own family, how those differences in a less stable environment could literally turn each of us against our own. 

My point is there are no absolutes. It’s all about man’s interpretation of the code and since it is not pure and quite subject to interpretation, thus it is not a law for all.  If we all prayed and lived the same, most Ministers and Laymen wouldn’t have any stories and jokes to tell on Sunday about the other guys, like the one about the Baptist who.......


THE PRIMALITY OF RELIGION - THE LITURGICAL LICENSE and VOODOO
Some wade through the water, some sprinkle water, the ever popular Baptismal water boarding, and the do-it-yourself bathtub drowning.   Then we have community singing and dancing, snake handling, adoration of rats and mice, self-flagellation and whipping, tambourine banging, smoke and incense.  For entertainment we have choral groups, junior choral groups, youth groups, senior singing group, responsive reading, bad choreography, foaming at the mouth, or glee clubbing.

Some attend retreats and conventions and occasionally they come to Vegas.  A friend of mine who is a Liquor/Bar/Room Service Manager for a prominent Vegas Hotel chain once told me during the Heavy Duty Southern Baptist Conventions, the hotel bars are empty,  BUT room service can’t even handle the workload because the booze flows faster than the Nile River.

Other religions have hours of trance filled meditation singing Hari Krishna and Kumbaya. Hours and hours humming "My Gods better than your God, My Gods better than yours" like in a futuristic Sylvester Stalone movie. By the way, look under legal battles and find out the words to KUMBAYA are still under entanglement as to who is the author. 

That’s nice, all personal belief vanishes and the rules, well structured by each religious leader for his/her groups interpretation are used for  control. Not an absolute for all, not a law. We bury this under customs and traditions subchapter “Banal or is it anal thinking”.  Anal is 80% of Banal.  (For you technical people)

Millions of dollars spent on Houses of Worship with ornate window dressing that would probably embarrass God himself, just to portray the Heaven on Earth. 

The competition for the right to be first has caused more deaths in the history of the world than any other reason. They are called Crusades. Even today on TV one of the evangelist TV personalities (The one with Gods personal cell-phone number) uses the word Crusade when the bills got to be paid.  How disgustingly noble!  A true modern-day false prophet, and TV scumbag.

Thats when the moral reasoning steps in again. Mix the two with the folks who make our decisions. Congress then taking the lead and we have war. We are the people sometimes pushed to religious righteousness governed by madmen, some nothing but modern day Crusaders.  Much of it started in those days.


WHO WERE THE CRUSADERS
LOSERS ON BOTH SIDES
If you took the time to study the Crusades you would be surprised at what you would find. Understand the two sides and the grunts or foot soldiers who basically killed and died for nothing.  Their motivation on both sides were based on the next world.  Death through a divine act was good. Permanent yes,  but good and no refunds. The Saracens got the seventy-two Vestal Virgins, and the large size Viagra.  The Christians got an E-Ticket to skip purgatory and go directly to Heaven with streets of gold and great wine.  

Millions took advantage of these great offers. Estimates of the two sides who burnt their dead range from two and a half million to six million. No big paychecks out there. Just a piece of cloth.  And this is not about King Arthur, Robin Hood and the Lady of the Lake. This was in the name of Religion, which generally encompasses brutal, vicious, sadistic, harsh, slow death by the arrow, the spear, the balls of fire, stones, starving and torture, lots of torture.  Boiling oil was not a dry skin remedy….

Crusades were expeditions undertaken, for a 120 years by those who vowed to deliver the Holy Places from Mohammedan or Muslim tyranny.  During this period the bad guys were referred to as the “Saracens”. The good guys, the CRUSADERS gets it's name, from the cross made of cloth and blessed by the Pope and worn by the Christian combatants.

Basically the term “Crusades” extends  to include all wars undertaken, by vow and directed against infidels, who included but not limited to Saracens, Muslims (Mohammedans) the usual goths and pagans, heretics, Jews,  and those who had been excommunicated under the rule of the pointy hats.

Religious Crusades were waged by the Spaniards against the Moors for three hundred years. European crusades were organized against the Prussians and Lithuanians, and the totally brutal extermination of the Albigensian heresy was due to a crusade.

†he crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christianity only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; Four hundred years. This proclamation sees all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the Popes.  No exceptions for allergies, foot injuries or religious conscientiousness.  All crusades were announced by the pointy hats. 

I could see the late Billy Mays pitching the Crusades. BUT WAIT, bring a friend and only pay his shipping fee back in a box.  After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cloth cross from the hands of the Papacy and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the church and he had a prepaid ticket to heaven.  Quite the benefits package…

The E-Ticket also granted privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc. Of all these skirmishes involving hundreds of thousands of troops in the name of Christendom,  the most important were the Eastern Crusades.   Not all returned from these challenges and many nobles lost their lives and their their estates, wasted their fortunes in meeting the expenses of their undertaking. The crown got the estates if their was no direct heir. 

Meanwhile nothing has ever been settled,  the wars went back and forth and today Jerusalem, the mother of all the worlds predominant religions is still the hotbed of hatred and supposedly, according to scriptures, the place where the apocalypse will start.

IF I WERE GOD I WOULD TELL
YOU BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

Believe in your beliefs. It's your individual call ordained by God and gifted to us with our freedoms. Unfortunately religion has changed its definition, it seems in the hands of some, it’s the quest to get a closer seat (even the prestigious front row) to the throne than the next guy. 

And the rules are more corrupt than the problems they solve.  Some folks don't settle for equality in this race. I cringe when those who profess their fundamentalist convictions, actually believe Gods law should take precedence over the law and order, as prescribed in the Constitution and the laws drafted from it. 

That's why the Evangelical vote scares me. People should be elected on the basis of what’s good for the country, not their personal agendas. It's the reason gay rights, the abortion issue, and health reform will always be a problem and the mainstream suffers when they shouldn't because of the stonewalling.  Subjects with no legal precedence are being argued in a legal court. 

Our politicians have to swear an oath to country first. Let’s keep the White house, just the way it is. Lets leave out the purple robes, gold plated urns, vessels and gold-painted pianos, weird pointed hats, incense, old languages, weird rituals and fear management. That’s for the PTL crew, the 700 Club and the other 24/7 send in your money channels.  All that revenue is the same as that piece of cloth, a promise.  But if all that revenue was directly put to good cause more would be helped directly than those who profess to be helping you with their E-tickets.  Thats what another topic “False Prophets” is all about. 
  

THE REAL ISSUES and PRIVACY
RELIGION AND DEPRIVATION

You can't mix Religion and Politics without depriving someone else of their rights. Stand against abortion and you have deprived a woman of her inalienable right to choose her path. You are telling her no. It’s simply not your choice.  And I have said at various occasions, mind your own friggen business, thats not your body, nor your choice , nor your battle. 

Believe what you wish but mind your own business.  The solution lies in the counseling, proper counseling, for the person involved not for the onlookers.  A law should never be created that denies the law for someone else.  It’s a MORAL issue and MORAL issues are in the hands of the person involved and his or her spiritual and legal, family and friend advisors, not the government nor the politicians.  Learn from the Crusades.    

The biggest mistake in the history of our judicial system was the accommodation of the Rowe Vs. Wade decision. It was a compromise which is good about as scientific and “fair” as it could get but it did not satisfy the anti-abortionists who want it all. It was not a Supreme Court decision that had to be made. "It was a moral issue that got out of hand well escalated by attorney fees and passion stirring by the religious right".  It never should have been considered,  a woman right to her body is her right and no one else’s.

Another act of interfering with personal beliefs and freedom as moral issues become religious issues. The simplest way of explaining the separation is to get those to “mind their own business” and not champion causes they have nothing to do with.  

Defining marriage by gender is no ones business other than those involved. It's a choice they make. You don’t have to share their bed or their lives, thats your free choice. Mind your own business. MYOFB.  The local, state and federal government has no business interfering. The only exception is if it harms or effects children, in any way, shape or form in a bad way and then the law has to get involved. Otherwise they have legal rights too.

By nature, its separatist. The movement itself creates division. For each Evangelical that liked what they heard, a few others did not.   Not Evangelical enough. So the Republican Party split into far Right Conservatism, Moderate Conservatism and Evangelicalism, which created the Non-Functionalism party. Like Churches, whats the flavor of the month. The right wing, the Republican party has blended faith just as the Crusades pitch, and God is on their side.  It helped create the whack-a-do TEA PARTY. 

With front-page entertainment TV stars like Mike Huckabee, the intellectual teachings of Sara Palin, B-movie actors like Limbaugh and Beck fueling the fires for personal gain, the election, the future of this country was in jeopardy. Curiously, and wisely, it seems many Americans are afraid of too much Evangelicalism which leads us to persons of faith.


THOMAS JEFFERSON
Thomas Jefferson was a man of deep religious conviction — his conviction was that religion was a very personal matter, one which the government had no business getting involved in. 

He was vilified by his political opponents for his role in the passage of the 1786 Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom and for his criticism of such biblical events as the Great Flood and the theological age of the Earth. 

As president, he discontinued the practice started by his predecessors George Washington and John Adams of proclaiming days of fasting and thanksgiving. He was a staunch believer in the separation of church and state.

The concept of separation of church and state refers to the distance in the relationship between organized religion and the nation state. The term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists Association in 1802. 

The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." 

Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion. The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. 

The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Prior to 1947, however separation of church and state was not considered part of the constitution; indeed in 1870s and 1890s unsuccessful attempts were made to amend the constitution to guarantee separation of church and state, a task to be accomplished not by constitutional amendment but by judicial fiat in 1947.


THE FUNDAMENTAL CHURCH
SNAKE GODS, and DEAD PEOPLE 
This is how far off the map poor interpretation, a lack of common sense and a strong belief in false Gods sway Church rules and customs which favor some of the following but not limited to; 

Many types and genres of music; Formal or doctrinal clothing; Food exclusions on certain days; Round hats and pointed hats;  Classical robes and scarfs; Pots of burning incense;  Cute slippers; Magnificent glass windows;  Hard seats on the butt; Spoken mysterious tongues and languages; Prejudicial seating arrangements; Group singing; Hands raised to the sky in surrender; Water sprinkling, and/or sacred immersion bathing techniques and Snake handling.  
SNAKES
Truthfully I love snakes, Black Racers and Corn snakes here in Florida, they keep the fruit rats in check very well thank you.   Christian culture identifies the snake as a symbol of evil, tempting Adam and Eve into the fall of man.  Snake handling is a religious ritual in a small number of very fundamentalist Christian churches in the US usually characterized as rural and Pentecostal, the most popular the Church of God with Signs Following.  

Practitioners believe it dates to antiquity and quote the Bible to support the practice, especially:  "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:18) and then "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (Luke 10:19)  

JUNE 21, 2012 (CNN)
Mack Wolford, 44, the Dean of the Pentecostal serpent handlers in Appalachia, was laid to rest Saturday at a low-key service at his West Virginia church a week after succumbing to a snake bite that made headlines across the nation.  History repeats itself, Wolford’s own dad was a serpent handler who died from a snake bite in 1983.  

Mack Wolford was bitten by his yellow timber rattlesnake at an evangelistic event in a state park about 80 miles west of Bluefield, in West Virginia’s isolated southern tip.  He enjoyed handling snakes during worship services, but it’s a tradition that has killed about 100 practitioners since it started in the east Tennessee hills in 1909. 

Hey dummies, did you not read the part about false God’s.  And God did not write the Bible, he simply encouraged man to write it and did not have a brain-checker.

FEBRUARY 18, 2014 (CNN)
A Kentucky pastor who starred in a reality show about snake-handling in church has died -- of a snakebite.  Jamie Coots died Saturday evening after refusing to be treated, Middlesboro police said.   On “ Snake Salvation," the ardent Pentecostal believer said that he believed that a passage in the Bible suggests poisonous snakebites will not harm believers as long as they are anointed by God. 

The practice is illegal in most states, but still goes on, primarily in the rural South not specifically known as a center of intellectual or scientific pragmatic embellishment.  Coots a third-generation “Serpent handler” obviously did not believe enough. God took the snakes side.

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