“CHURCH AND STATE” THIS IS HUCKABEE COUNTRY
As you may of learned by now I have a strong opinion on the separation of Church and State. Which drives me to hit on the real values that are important and Mike Huckabee is a challenger to those gifts the founding fathers made to this country thus Religion enters the conversation. You can’t talk about Huckabee without religious freedoms and beliefs, it’s the only leg he stands on.
And it wasn’t very stable most folks know all about him and the small base he had, well didn’t go very far and he bowed out of the 2016 election. Jesus will just have to wait for us to rename the country just because Huckabee tells us we should.
I apologize if some of my comments might abuse your thinking. I am attacking the charlatan, not the message of goodness, freedom to believe, human value, honesty , integrity and the golden rule. Those are things I believe in.
I believe this country was formed by those who believe the separation of Church and State was and is the substance of this great nation. That was the intent, the original intent of the "Founding Fathers" that all men be created equal and be allowed to pray and believe in their own religion.
Not to adhere to one specific doctrine or dogma. It was also their intent for the Church to be concerned with matters of moral fibre and the State to be concerned with matters of laws we choose to live by. Mike Huckabee twists it again and again. He is a false prophet, and I would add an excellent speaker with a knack of someone who knows all about male bovine excrement.
THE RELIGIOUS VOTERS
Have defined and supported certain political candidates, based on their sometimes fictional moral beliefs over their ability to govern and more importantly lead. Choosing support for those who pass the litmus test of belief, the abolishment of the Roe vs. Wade ruling on abortion, and the HUCKABEE’S creation of the United under Jesus’s States of America.
Mixing policy and politics is a bad thing. Leaders of the Catholic Church and Baptist groups strongly anti-abortion base thinking on the mini-bang theory, not to be confused with their maxi-bang theory of creation, that life is conceived at conception and that fetus has rights.
Some even believe the cave-men killed the dinosaurs. Whats worse they teach it to kids, even though the real thinkers in this world, real scientists know better but scientific theory throws a lot of water on the bibles story telling. So many of the “ True believers” excel in Babelfication. They just babel on, except for one small point. Nowhere in the old or new testament are Dinosaurs mentioned. Forgetting proven science, realistically placed the first Homos Erectus about 80-100 million years apart from the Dinosaurs.
Please don’t tell me what to believe and I won’t tell you what to believe. We all have a right to our own decisions and feelings and don’t try to shove it down my throat or tell me I’m going to hell. I'm Jewish and I don’t believe in bovine leftovers, or hell, the boogie-man, or the tooth fairy.
Not believing in the tooth fairy was the hard part, when I dropped a tooth, my mother left me an I.O.U. for expenses when I went to my dentist to get braces. The other kids got money for candy.
I appreciate their sentiments and feelings but keep it in the Church. Truthfully, I agree with abortion being a last resort, but these folks want everyone to think their way.
No abortion period! I can relate to this except :
- When it takes a woman’s right to make her own decisions away.
- If the woman’s pregnancy was unwanted or forced upon criminal act or not.
- Or if it is in the third trimester. Once again, the time defined as to when the fetus has rights is in the question.
- You can’t make laws that take lawful rights away. Thus most of the provisions of Roe vs. Wade is the right decision even though the woman the case was built around had guilt feelings and became a evangelical. (Guilt is the fuel some religions are built on.)
When the church goes political they have exceeded their boundaries. That government should stay out of the religious business and the religious business stay out of government. The only time government has to step in is when the religion takes a persons rights away, fraud, physical abuse and cultism and it is rampant.
I hope Mike Huckabee eventually figures this out. Thank God, he didn't make it to President, nor in the top ten of Bass guitarists currently on tour and guilty of selling his soul to the devil, Rupert Murdock to be a puppet on the most biased corrupt TV empire. Fox TV. Some candidate for President! Better he should be playing bass on Jimmy the Con Swaggert's revival hour.
WE ALL USE GOD AS A TOOL OF CONTROL
I have seen a lot of abuse and misuse of both of these foundations of our culture. The grey mass forming where some would merge the laws of the land and the laws of GOD is not new, it is the reason for our existence. The reason those pilgrims left the old world and ventured into the unknown for a better way.
Mans freedom's, and beliefs, in some cases led to the great declarations of our time. The Magna Charter literally established a middle class, the Declaration of Independence let to the establishment of the United States.
But there is a dark side. Religion has brought us the Inquisition, the Pogroms, the Crusades, all challenged free belief. Today the theocracies, the FAR RIGHTEOUS in our world like the Taliban, ISIS, ISIL, all seek to control.
I'm not just picking on the followers of the Catholic Church, it's a very hot topic now as some groups intend to sue the Vatican to the world court. It will play out when it does. But the pain of thousands needs to be answered and it is found in all religions. All religions have extreme factions in one way or another. Muslims have ten or eleven extreme movements, but so do the Christians.
My beloved Florida has more Youth Ministers, Choir leaders, and pseudo Christian pedophiles per capita in the jail for molesting minors than many other states, and they are all over the map in the various Christian denominations, sects, specialties, beliefs, dialects, languages, or D&B ratings. All of them have participants but unfortunately one group dominates the field.
Thinking out loud, it's about time they let the Priests marry. It's a strange belief that has "those coaching marriage have had nothing to do with it". The answer lies in the book, the Da Vinci code. After reading it and seeing the excellent movie by Tom Hanks, one understands the secrecy, and mystery of the Church and it's goal to subjugate women.
The usual Church answer is that if the Priests were to marry, they would not be able to service the spiritual community as they would have marriage duties and devotions of their own. Every other religion has enough staff to handle things in time of need and the simple answer is it would bring more into the realm and they might have to pay or provide for them. Follow the money. Again the thought comes to mind and that is the counseling Priest give to those getting married... what experience does the Priest have?
PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNOW LITTLE ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
Radical Christians Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and, to a lesser degree, Mike Pence, Rick Perry, and Bobby Jindal in this Christian Conservative category. I might add Ted Cruz WHO ALSO USE GOD FOR THEIR BENEFIT. I call them “CHRISTIBANS”. No better than the ones we call the “Taliban”. They both have the same ideology God first, nothing else counts. Their entire political career is based on negativism, chasing the evangelicals, and sticking their noses into anything that gets their name in front of people.
Mike Huckabee, former TV actor with canned applause and cardboard audiences is a mainstay supporter of bigotry in this country. Huckabee does this under the guise of being “Christian and this is his life. Years ago I learned those who profess the loudest have a lot to hide. It’s like this, when a Jew like myself screws up, we can’t get forgiven, we have no redeemer and we pay the price of the wrong we have done. No excuses, no redemption, no forgiveness. Thats why it’s so tough for someone to become Jewish, we have no redemption plan. It’s a tough sell to live your life correctly and not make mistakes. No three strike rule. The Christian World forgives, and Politicians know everybody has a dark closet and feels guilt. Are you feeling guilty, here are three suggestions.
- Find a Priest, ask for forgiveness and is all well again. Many on death row tried this routine and well frankly it didn’t work. One gal said, sang, her love for Jesus, crowds flocked to the execution to save her, she found Jesus they chanted. The Warden said, “ Im glad you found Jesus and I’m going to get you an immediate appointment at Midnight with the Lord”.
- Find a 42 inch TV screen and one of the hucksters of religion, the financial planners of you next disaster will tell you how they will spend your money, and you will be forgiven and rewarded ten fold. All you need to do is place one hand on the TV and the other on your checkbook.
- Go do something really bad. With all those in jail finding Jesus, there just might be an angle where the worse the sin the faster God gets there.
So much harm to true Christianity on the public forums as this self-centered doctrine he spouts. His Christian values apply to child abuse, begetting, incest, greed, prejudice and so forth only apply if it is anti-gay.
DEMOCRATS AND RELIGION
Religion matters for Democrats, too. But the awarding of the "Christian candidate" designation is a veritable tradition in Republican presidential politics. Santorum and Huckabee easily claimed this role in the last two elections, and in 2016 it looks like we may get a double (or septuple) whammy. Of course, nearly all GOP contenders profess Christianity, preferably a Protestantism that doesn't stray to any polarizing extremes. But for some candidates, Christianity is less a required feature and more a primary campaign theme.
While the average voter is increasingly less concerned about candidates’ religious affiliations — and 2012 showed that most Republicans will vote party line even if the nominee doesn’t exactly share their beliefs about God — data from the early primaries in 2012 and 2008 indicate that candidates’ profession of religion still makes a big difference for one large chunk of the Republican base: White Evangelical Christians. Here is a surprising figure, a large percentage of the mass murders occurring in our colleges and schools, 17 to date were white and Christian.
So whichever of these men elect to run for president, at least three things are clear about them:
- They will each attempt to claim the title of this cycle's "Christian candidate.”
- They will each liberally sprinkle Christian doctrine into their stump speeches and ad campaigns, capturing the support of tens of millions of my fellow Christians via the Republican Party's primary form of identity politics.
- They will each fail to win the White House, as all are perceived as too overtly religious to triumph in the general election. And this entire race to be the GOP's most Christian candidate is so wrong-headed — bad politics and bad theology both.
THE CHRISTIAN CANDIDATES
It’s politically damaging for Christian voters because these strenuously religious politicians distract many of us from other candidates who are less overtly churchy, but perhaps more politically appealing.
Yes, the "Christian candidates" are opposed to abortion, a key issue for many conservative Christians. But so is every viable contender for the GOP presidential nod. Indeed, these Christian candidates' positions are often based more in their Republicanism than their Christianity. Faithful, orthodox Christians in America (and around the world) hold an almost unlimited variety of political views — and there are strong cases for biblical compatibility with many of them.
Huckabee, Santorum, and Co. clearly do not operate out of that diversity. These politicians' agendas are orthodox. But it's a Republican rather than Christian canon with which they comply. After all, even the devil can quote Scripture and have conversations with God.
This was most succinctly typified by a pre-presidential campaign Mike Huckabee, who in 2004 "took a phone call from God" while on stage at a Republican Governors Association event. The skit featured God telling Huckabee to deliver a message on his behalf
Huckabee replied, supposedly to God's pleasure, "We know you don't take sides in the election" — the audience laughs at such a silly humility — "but if you did we kinda think you'd hang in there with the Republicans], Lord, we really do."
And thus, while saying the exact opposite, Huckabee in three minutes reduces the Christian God to an American tribal deity and the Christian faith to a tool of political success.
It's a reduction that flies squarely in the face of the conspicuously nonpolitical, universal Kingdom of God that Jesus said he was building. While Jesus proclaimed, "My Kingdom is not of this world," the "Christian candidate" effectively says, "I'm to be the viceroy of God's worldly kingdom."
And while Christianity finds the hope of the world “ exclusively in Jesus Christ and the willingness of his people to partner with him in bringing about God's will 'on earth as it is in heaven,'" Huckabee and pals take that job for the government as they promise to "Take care of…all the people" if only we'll give them our vote.
That mentality at best misses the central message of the Christian faith, and more often abandons it altogether, subsuming Christianity into the temple ceremonies of the state.